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Sgt. Giggles of the Kamik · Guest

A World Without Milk

A Canadian advertising agency (mediaincanada.com)
issued this press release on Tuesday, September 25, 2007.
____________________________________________________
A World Without Milk?
by Terry Poulton

"Imagining what daily life would be like without the
products produced by members of the Dairy Farmers of
Canada is the strikingly effective theme of Montreal>s
first broadcast campaign for the organization.

Built around 'what if' scenarios, the image initiative
consists of a 30-second television spot and a 60-second
cinema commercial. Both depict situations such as a
despondent child trying to eat cereal without milk. The
spots build a powerful argument for not taking dairy
farmers for granted, which is punched with the tagline:
'Canadian Dairy: Here for Good.'"
____________________________________________________

A despondent child? That breaks my heart and I have
tears in my eyes as I type this Notmilk email while
considering the tragic plight of Canadian kids.

Why, that>s sadder than the 15 million children who
who will die of hunger in the world this year, or the
160 million kids who go to bed each night without
dinner.

Why, that>s sadder than the African epidemic which
creates over 50,000 AIDS-orphans in Uganda each year
where the average lifespan for women is 46 years and
for men 45 years.

Why, that>s sadder than the thousands of pre-teens who
have been kidnapped or sold into slavery to work on
Ivory Coast plantations so that American kids can drink
their chocolate milk and enjoy candy which melts in
their mouths, not in their hands.

Please join me for a moment of prayer in which you
ask the good Lord for Canadian kids to be spared the
indignity of having to eat dried cereal without their
daily doses of liquid pus with hormones and glue.

Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com
i4crob(at)earthlink.net

frank87 · Guest

On 2007-10-10, Sgt. Giggles of the Kamikaze Gasbag
Squadron <bcpg@canada.com> expressed:
[quote]A World Without Milk
snip
A despondent child? That breaks my heart and I have
tears in my eyes as I type this Notmilk email while
considering the tragic plight of Canadian kids.

Why, that>s sadder than the 15 million children who
who will die of hunger in the world this year, or the
160 million kids who go to bed each night without
dinner.
[/quote]
This number would be bigger if the dairy farmers did
not produce food on al those meadows that can>t be used
to grow other crops.

[quote]Why, that>s sadder than the African epidemic which
creates over 50,000 AIDS-orphans in Uganda each year
where the average lifespan for women is 46 years and
for men 45 years.
[/quote]
Is being sad a contest? If you are kicked, it still hurts,
even is someone else is kicked harder.

[quote]Why, that>s sadder than the thousands of pre-teens who
have been kidnapped or sold into slavery to work on
Ivory Coast plantations so that American kids can drink
their chocolate milk and enjoy candy which melts in
their mouths, not in their hands.
[/quote]
This isn>t the fault of the canadian farmers.

[quote]Please join me for a moment of prayer in which you
ask the good Lord for Canadian kids to be spared the
indignity of having to eat dried cereal without their
daily doses of liquid pus with hormones and glue.
[/quote]
Whithout cow-milk, they have to use soja-milk. Soja has
hormones too (and promotes breast cancer).

Greetings,
Frank

Mr.Smartypants · Guest

On Dec 28, 4:04 am, frank87 <fran...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[quote]On 2007-10-10, Sgt. Giggles of the Kamikaze Gasbag
Squadron <b...@canada.com> expressed:

A World Without Milk
snip
A despondent child? That breaks my heart and I have
tears in my eyes as I type this Notmilk email while
considering the tragic plight of Canadian kids.

Why, that>s sadder than the 15 million children who
who will die of hunger in the world this year, or the
160 million kids who go to bed each night without
dinner.

This number would be bigger if the dairy farmers did
not produce food on al those meadows that can>t be used
to grow other crops.

Why, that>s sadder than the African epidemic which
creates over 50,000 AIDS-orphans in Uganda each year
where the average lifespan for women is 46 years and
for men 45 years.

Is being sad a contest? If you are kicked, it still hurts,
even is someone else is kicked harder.

Why, that>s sadder than the thousands of pre-teens who
have been kidnapped or sold into slavery to work on
Ivory Coast plantations so that American kids can drink
their chocolate milk and enjoy candy which melts in
their mouths, not in their hands.

This isn>t the fault of the canadian farmers.

Please join me for a moment of prayer in which you
ask the good Lord for Canadian kids to be spared the
indignity of having to eat dried cereal without their
daily doses of liquid pus with hormones and glue.

Whithout cow-milk, they have to use soja-milk. Soja has
hormones too (and promotes breast cancer).
[/quote]

Can you explain that please?

[quote]
Greetings,
Frank[/quote]

Paul Ciszek · Guest

In article <7509f2bc-4b88-4ec6-8233-98ea605cfe87@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Mr.Smartypants <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Dec 28, 4:04 am, frank87 <fran...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Whithout cow-milk, they have to use soja-milk. Soja has
hormones too (and promotes breast cancer).

Can you explain that please?
[/quote]
Frank could be refering to the fact that soy products contain
"phytoestrogens", chemicals similar to estrogen but from a plant
source. Supposedly they are just enough like estrogen to mess
with the human body.

--
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pciszek at panix dot com | connect Iraq to the War on Terror."
Autoreply is disabled | -- G. W. Bush, 9/7/2006

Oz · Guest

Paul Ciszek <nospam@nospam.com> writes
[quote]
Frank could be refering to the fact that soy products contain
"phytoestrogens", chemicals similar to estrogen but from a plant source.
Supposedly they are just enough like estrogen to mess with the human body.
[/quote]
Indeed so. There is a study on soya intake and changes to cycling in
japanese women.

Its also long been known in the UK that you NEVER put your ewes and ram
onto clovery swards because there can be enough phytoesrogens to prevent
the ewes cycling and hence no lambs.

--
Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.

pearl · Guest

"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfn9m2f.der.frank87@frank.lan...
[quote]On 2007-10-10, Sgt. Giggles of the Kamikaze Gasbag
Squadron <bcpg@canada.com> expressed:
A World Without Milk
snip
A despondent child? That breaks my heart and I have
tears in my eyes as I type this Notmilk email while
considering the tragic plight of Canadian kids.

Why, that>s sadder than the 15 million children who
who will die of hunger in the world this year, or the
160 million kids who go to bed each night without
dinner.

This number would be bigger if the dairy farmers did
not produce food on al those meadows that can>t be used
to grow other crops.
[/quote]
From Technological Trajectories and the Human Environment. 1997.
Pp. 56-73. Washington, DC: National Academy Press. "How Much
Land Can Ten Billion People Spare for Nature?"..
'By eating different species of crops and a more or less vegetarian diet
people can change the number that a plot can feed. And large numbers
of people do change their diets. The calories and protein available
from present cropland could provide a vegetarian diet to ten billion
people. A diet requiring food and feed totaling 6,000 calories daily for
ten billion people, however, would overwhelm the capability of
present agriculture on present cropland. The global totals of sun, CO2,
fertilizer, and even water could produce far more food than what ten
billion people need.
...'
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=4767&page=56

Already..

'As stocks run out and harvests fail, the world faces its worst crisis
for 30 years

By Geoffrey Lean
Published: 03 September 2006

Food supplies are shrinking alarmingly around the globe, plunging the
world into its greatest crisis for more than 30 years. New figures show
that this year>s harvest will fail to produce enough to feed everyone on
Earth, for the sixth time in the past seven years. Humanity has so far
managed by eating its way through stockpiles built up in better times -
but these have now fallen below the danger level.

Food prices have already started to rise as a result, and threaten to soar
out of reach of many of the 4.2 billion people who live in the world>s
most vulnerable countries. And the new "green" drive to get cars to run
on biofuels threatens to make food even scarcer and more expensive.

The UN>s Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) and the US
Department of Agriculture (USDA), which produce the world>s two
main forecasts of the global crop production, both estimate that this
year>s grain harvest will fall for the second successive year.
....
Brown expects the food crisis to get much worse as more and more
land becomes exhausted, soil erodes, water becomes scarcer, and
global warming cuts harvests.
...'
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article1325467.ece

'October 2006
...
More than 852 million people -- about 13 percent of the world
population -- do not have enough food each day to sustain a
healthy life, according to the Rome-based Food and Agriculture
Organisation (FAO).

Of this, about 815 million people live in developing countries,
28 million in "transition" countries of the former Eastern Europe
and ex-Soviet republics, and about nine million in the industrialised
world.

"It is a shame on humanity that in a world that is richer than ever
before, six million children due of malnutrition and related illnesses
before they reach the age of five," Ziegler said.

The study, which goes before the current 61st session of the
General Assembly, points out that the majority of the hungry
live in Asia and Africa, while about 80 percent live in rural areas
and depend on agriculture and pastoralism to survive.

"They are hungry because they do not have enough work, or
access to productive resources like land and water sufficient to
feed their families," it says.
....'
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=35166

'Some of this land has been acquired through expropriation. This is
as true in the third world today as it was centuries ago in the over-
industrialized nations. Large numbers of poor people have been
imprisoned, made homeless, killed, or have starved as a result of
big landowners expropriating land for pasture. The same sort of
expropriation has occurred, although not on the same scale, to
provide grains for livestock Animals in the over-industrialized world.
...
The same is also true as regards the crops which provide feed for
livestock Animals. Huge numbers of people are going hungry even
though third world countries are producing vast quantities of grains
which are exported to feed livestock in the over-industrialized nations,
...
Huge numbers of third world peoples are starving because the crops
grown in their country are exported to fatten Animals in the over-
industrialized nations, "More people are hungry now than ever before.
Many states where hunger is prevalent are net exporters of food."
Even during times of famine, grains continue to be exported from
third world countries to the over-industrialized world, "In addition,
about two-thirds of the total domestic grain crop goes to feed-lots.
....'
http://www.geocities.com/carbonomics/MCsppub/11sp12/11sp12b.html

<..>
[quote]Please join me for a moment of prayer in which you
ask the good Lord for Canadian kids to be spared the
indignity of having to eat dried cereal without their
daily doses of liquid pus with hormones and glue.

Whithout cow-milk, they have to use soja-milk. Soja has
hormones too (and promotes breast cancer).
[/quote]
Can you show us any evidence to support these claims?

Meanwhile.... Here>s some scientific evidence for you:

'*Meta-Analysis: "Milk consumption is a risk factor for prostate
cancer.... In conclusion, we found a positive association between
milk consumption and prostate cancer."
Nutr Cancer. 2004;48(T):22-7. [Search Pubmed.org for 15203374.]

* "Among the food items we examined, cheese was most closely
correlated with the incidence of testicular cancer at ages 20-39,
followed by animal fats and milk.... Concerning prostatic cancer,
milk was most closely correlated with its incidence, followed by
meat and coffee.... The food that was most closely correlated
with the mortality rate of prostatic cancer was milk, followed by
coffee, cheese and animal fats." Int J Cancer. 2002
Mar 10;98(2):262-7. [Search Pubmed.org for 11857417.]
...
* "Suggestive positive associations were also seen between fatal
prostate cancer and the consumption of milk, cheese, eggs, and
meat. There was an orderly dose-response between each of the
four animal products and risk." Am J Epidemiol. 1984
Aug: 120(2):244-50. [Search PubMed.org for 6465122.]
...
* "Positive correlations between foods and cancer mortality rates
were particularly strong in the case of meats and milk for breast
cancer, milk for prostate and ovarian cancer, and meats for colon
cancer." Cancer 1986 Dec 1;58(11):2363-71. [Search Pubmed.org
for 3768832.]
.....'
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_257/ai_n7638034

'Studies link dairy consumption to ovarian and breast cancer in
women and prostate cancer in men. Milk, both human and cow,
has naturally-occurring growth hormones that can become
cancerous in adults, whose bodies are supposed to have finished
their growth spurts.

Biology

One reason milk consumption may lead to cancer risk is
insulin-like growth factor, IGF-1 (not to be confused with bovine
growth hormone, rBGH). Milk contains IGF-1 for good reason:
milk is designed for babies, and IGF-1 helps us grow. IGF-1 affects
growth, as well as other functions, and is normally found in our blood.
Higher levels of IGF-1, however, appear to stimulate cancer cells.
....'
http://www.consumerhealthjournal.com/articles/milk-and-cancer.html

mmmmm...

frank87 · Guest

On 2008-01-01, Paul Ciszek <nospam@nospam.com> expressed:
[quote]
Frank could be refering to the fact that soy products contain
"phytoestrogens", chemicals similar to estrogen but from a plant
source. Supposedly they are just enough like estrogen to mess
with the human body.

Thank you, I couldn>t remember their name.[/quote]

Greetings,
Frank

frank87 · Guest

On 2008-01-01, pearl <tea@signguestbook.ie> expressed:
[quote]"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfn9m2f.der.frank87@frank.lan...
This number would be bigger if the dairy farmers did
not produce food on al those meadows that can>t be used
to grow other crops.

From Technological Trajectories and the Human Environment. 1997.
Pp. 56-73. Washington, DC: National Academy Press. "How Much
Land Can Ten Billion People Spare for Nature?"..
'By eating different species of crops and a more or less vegetarian diet
^^^^^^^^^^^^
people can change the number that a plot can feed.
[/quote]
The area that can be used for crops should be used. What>s left can be
used for cattle.

Greetings,
Frank

pearl · Guest

"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfnviig.56k.frank87@frank.lan...
[quote]On 2008-01-01, pearl <tea@signguestbook.ie> expressed:
"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfn9m2f.der.frank87@frank.lan...
This number would be bigger if the dairy farmers did
not produce food on al those meadows that can>t be used
to grow other crops.

From Technological Trajectories and the Human Environment. 1997.
Pp. 56-73. Washington, DC: National Academy Press. "How Much
Land Can Ten Billion People Spare for Nature?"..
'By eating different species of crops and a more or less vegetarian diet
^^^^^^^^^^^^
people can change the number that a plot can feed.

The area that can be used for crops should be used. What>s left can be
used for cattle.
[/quote]
It could, and should, be again natural habitat for wildlife.

"Cattle are the scourge of the Earth."
................'
http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter6.html

frank87 · Guest

On 2008-01-05, pearl <tea@signguestbook.ie> expressed:
[quote]"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfnviig.56k.frank87@frank.lan...
On 2008-01-01, pearl <tea@signguestbook.ie> expressed:
"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfn9m2f.der.frank87@frank.lan...
This number would be bigger if the dairy farmers did
not produce food on al those meadows that can>t be used
to grow other crops.

From Technological Trajectories and the Human Environment. 1997.
Pp. 56-73. Washington, DC: National Academy Press. "How Much
Land Can Ten Billion People Spare for Nature?"..
'By eating different species of crops and a more or less vegetarian diet
^^^^^^^^^^^^
people can change the number that a plot can feed.

The area that can be used for crops should be used. What>s left can be
used for cattle.

It could, and should, be again natural habitat for wildlife.
If you start thinking like that, why can>t there be wildlife in your[/quote]
house.

Why shoukd wildlife live on poor grounds? As population grows the
resources for the wildlife diminishes. You can>t change that.

[quote]"Cattle are the scourge of the Earth."
Do you hate people?[/quote]

Greetings,
Frank

pearl · Guest

"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfnvr2i.8bj.frank87@frank.lan...
[quote]On 2008-01-05, pearl <tea@signguestbook.ie> expressed:
"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfnviig.56k.frank87@frank.lan...
On 2008-01-01, pearl <tea@signguestbook.ie> expressed:
"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfn9m2f.der.frank87@frank.lan...
This number would be bigger if the dairy farmers did
not produce food on al those meadows that can>t be used
to grow other crops.

From Technological Trajectories and the Human Environment. 1997.
Pp. 56-73. Washington, DC: National Academy Press. "How Much
Land Can Ten Billion People Spare for Nature?"..
'By eating different species of crops and a more or less vegetarian diet
^^^^^^^^^^^^
people can change the number that a plot can feed.

The area that can be used for crops should be used. What>s left can be
used for cattle.

It could, and should, be again natural habitat for wildlife.

If you start thinking like that, why can>t there be wildlife in your
house.
[/quote]
There is. Spiders. I think some rats have moved in under the
house for the winter. There may be mice in the attic. Ok?

Any possibility of a serious discussion, or are you through?

[quote]Why shoukd wildlife live on poor grounds? As population grows the
resources for the wildlife diminishes. You can>t change that.
[/quote]
Nature is self-regulating. It>s managed well for millions of years.

[quote]"Cattle are the scourge of the Earth."
......'[/quote]
http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter6.html

[quote]Do you hate people?
[/quote]
I>m not very fond of wilfully ignorant people or industry shills.

frank87 · Guest

On 2008-01-06, pearl <tea@signguestbook.ie> expressed:
[quote]"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfnvr2i.8bj.frank87@frank.lan...
On 2008-01-05, pearl <tea@signguestbook.ie> expressed:
"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfnviig.56k.frank87@frank.lan...
On 2008-01-01, pearl <tea@signguestbook.ie> expressed:
"frank87" <frank87@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:slrnfn9m2f.der.frank87@frank.lan...
This number would be bigger if the dairy farmers did
not produce food on al those meadows that can>t be used
to grow other crops.

From Technological Trajectories and the Human Environment. 1997.
Pp. 56-73. Washington, DC: National Academy Press. "How Much
Land Can Ten Billion People Spare for Nature?"..
'By eating different species of crops and a more or less vegetarian diet
^^^^^^^^^^^^
people can change the number that a plot can feed.

The area that can be used for crops should be used. What>s left can be
used for cattle.

It could, and should, be again natural habitat for wildlife.

If you start thinking like that, why can>t there be wildlife in your
house.

There is. Spiders. I think some rats have moved in under the
house for the winter. There may be mice in the attic. Ok?
[/quote]
There is wildlife between the cattle: rabbits, birds, foxes, rats.
spiders.

[quote]Any possibility of a serious discussion, or are you through?
[/quote]
Probably not, you don>t read my arguments. You say (without any reason)
that the habitat of cattle should be given to wildlife. Following the
same reasoning, I can give your house to wildlife.

[quote]Why should wildlife live on poor grounds? As population grows the
resources for the wildlife diminishes. You can>t change that.

Nature is self-regulating. It>s managed well for millions of years.
[/quote]
This again, isn>t relevant. Nature regulates that there will be less
cows if there are more deers. In the same way, it is regulated, that
there will be less wildlife if there are more humans.
[quote]
"Cattle are the scourge of the Earth."
.....'
http://www.wasteofthewest.com/Chapter6.html

Do you hate people?

I>m not very fond of wilfully ignorant people or industry shills.
[/quote]
I>m not very fond of people that want to starve mankind to make room
for some wildlife.

Greetings,
Frank


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