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Dwight E. Howell wrote:
[quote]okay. no problem then. I guess most oral tradition lasts about...
say... 2 months. the length of time the average teenager is out of
school in the summer & able to forget everything!
regards
c

At the present in our society you may be right but in some societies
there is hard evidence for thousands of years. One snippet is from
England. There was a local tradition that the light entering a hole in
an unopened barrow struck the back of the barrow on mid summers day.
When it was opened this turned out to be right. The barrow/grave would
have been built about the time copper was becoming popular among the
locals as a material for tools and weapons. Some of their hedge rows are
older than the Roman conquest. Once somebody built a fence they tended
to stay put. It took a lot of work to remove one or build one so mostly
people left them in place and kept them up and the same could be said
for country roads.
Ryan & Pitman report the earliest copy of the great flood we have[/quote]
is written in Mitanni cuneiform, hundreds of years before any source
we have in the Levant. Mitanni is Indo-European, and they were an
upland horse culture. None of the attempted debunkers of Ryan &
Pitman>s Black Sea flood can explain what these people, who didnt
live on river bottoms, were doing with a great flood myth.

There are details in that copy of Gilgamesh that would fit with the
Black Sea flood, but not with Genesis. There are innumerable examples
of your point about the durability of myth. Campbell built a career
out of reconstructing snippets that had endured for millennia in
obscure rural communities.

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Day Brown · Guest

Dwight E. Howell wrote:
[quote]I>ve read this article twice. The almost total absence of women and
children continues to bug me. A very high percentage of the population
died as children. At least half of all births are female.

These men do not seem to have had wives and families in most cases or if
they did they were clearly buried elsewhere. I suppose it might have
been a seasonal work force with the men living elsewhere during the
winter months when merchant ships were kept safely in harbor.

The other option has left me wondering if they might be slaves though
most slaves weren>t this well taken care off. The thing about the Romans
being that some owners did take rather good care of some or all of their
slaves in life and in death and some didn>t.
After Christianity came in, the Slave drivers figured that if Jesus[/quote]
was going to reward the slaves in heaven, there was no need to do so
on Earth.

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Day Brown · Guest

Cory Albrecht wrote:
[quote]jonatthehelm@gmail.com wrote:
In Japan, there is one girl, who looks twenty eight or nine, who is
over three hundred years old, and one guy, who looks in his fifties or
so, who is over twelve hundred years old. Some islanders, a few, are
around four hundred years old. The Japanese government knows about
them, but doesn>t say any thing about them. They all eat healthful
diets. The two persons I mentioned experiment with mountain herbals of
the psychotropic kind, along with marijuana in their diet and with
marijuana as a type of herbal brew, like Absinthe, with other plants,
such as hallucinogenic mushrooms, and tiny animals, such as

You, my friend are overly credulous.
Apparently.
Or perhaps you>ve been
experimenting with a few of these "herbs"?
I experiment with lots of herbs and fungi. I>ve been at it for[/quote]
decades, but at nearly 69, young women are interested enuf in the
effect of these ancient shamantic compounds to spend the nite with
me for the personal insights that result.

Its not "eternal youth" in the usual sense of the term, but Brahmin
understood the nature of time in ways the Levantine religions were
blissfully unaware of. If I provide a young woman with a sacred
potion, in the sacred place, at the sacred time, and in the sacred
way, she has both spiritual enlightenment and the most intense orgasmic
experience, and is eternally grateful.

And while this may be new to those here, it was well understood by both
the practicioners of Taoism and Tantra thousands of years ago, who also
had a different sense of what time was, and so succeeded in their search
for eternal youth.

The earliest Ashrams ever found were noted by EW Barber, "The Mummies of
Urumchi" on pg 151. There>s several points, as remarkable as the report
Japanese report above. The Ashrams were not in China or India, but the
common source for both tantric traditions, at Gonur and Togoluk in what
is not Uzbekistan. Both 4000 years old. Both of which laid out in the
Kara Kum desert, with all the hordes and armies that have passed by all
these years, yet- neither of which even has any grafitti.

Both Ashrams had an apothecary, not that different from mine; likewise,
both had bowls on the floor with cannibis, ephedra, and opium. Of course
totally dessicated, but intact otherwise.

I agree that what you think are drugs can increase credulity. But they
can also, as the Vedic Soma songs attest time and again, remove the veil
that hides the truth of existence so that the above search becomes a
trivial problem. The trick is- in the sacred time, in the sacred way,
with the spirit guide with sacred intent. Otherwise, its just a
recreational drug, and the effects you are aware of we see as the
kharmic cost of blasphemy.
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Day Brown · Guest

[quote]But here I>m a bit skeptical since it>s well known that at one time
both "older Homo Sapiens", (H.S.), and Neanderthals, (H.N.), made and
used similar Mousterian/Chatelperronian tools so I need to ask, were
there any Neanderthal skeletal material also found at this site?
Given the era, do we have any H. Sapiens remains in West Europe?[/quote]

Last year, they reported finding a fire circle on the Arctic coast
from 38kya. No caves in the area. Either H. Sapiens moved really fast
from a beach head in Anatolia, or it was left by Neanderthals.

Course, were the global economy to collapse now, archeologists would
look at all the remains of European culture all over the planet and
conclude the whole thing was run by white people. Without considering
how non-whites found the artifacts useful.
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Day Brown · Guest

Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
[quote]*Researchers Test Canine Tooth Strength for Clues to Behavior of Early
Human Ancestors*
**
*Measuring and testing the teeth of living primates could provide a
window into the behavior of the earliest human ancestors, based on their
fossilized remains. Research funded by the National Science Foundation
and led by University of Arkansas anthropologist Michael Plavcan takes
us one step closer to understanding the relationship between canine
teeth, body size and the lives of primates.
*
In an article published in American Journal of Physical Anthropology,
Plavcan and colleague Christopher B. Ruff of Johns Hopkins School of
Medicine report on an initial examination of the function of the shape
of canine teeth in primates. This is the first published comparative
analysis of canine strength for primates.

Understanding more about the function of canine teeth can lead to new
models for understanding human evolution. Plavcan has been studying
primate teeth and skulls for 24 years and spent four years collecting
dental data for this analysis.

The researchers compared the size, shape and strength of canine teeth
from 144 primates with similar measurements taken from 45 carnivores.
They examined the relationship of the size of primates’ canines to body
size and the relative strength of the teeth. This comparison could help
answer the speculation about the function of male primates’ canine teeth
in the competition for females. Are the canines used as weapons or
simply for display?

The reason we wanted to use the carnivores is that we know carnivores
use their canines for killing,” Plavcan said. “If primates’ canines are
too weak to function as weapons, then they’re all just for show.”

Among anthropoid primates, it is well known that the canine teeth of
males are up to four times as long as those of females. The researchers
compared the canine teeth of male and female primates.

If the male’s canines are stronger than the female’s canines that would
imply there is sexual selection for strength and that the tooth is
actually used as a weapon,” Plavcan said. Female’s canines are short,
and shorter, stubbier objects are harder to break. So, if the long, thin
male canines are as strong or stronger than those of the female, that
would also suggest they are capable of being used for fighting.”

The results were mixed in an interesting way.

We found that the primate canines are generally as strong as or stronger
than carnivore canines," Plavcan said. “But they are not associated with
any sort of estimate of sexual selection.

Generally the canines of males and females were equally strong. Given
that primates have such strong teeth in general, the researchers
suggested a couple of possible explanations. It could be that all
primate males have strong teeth because of a significant risk to
reproductive success for any male who breaks a canine tooth. Or it could
be that the strong teeth are due to basic inherited design.

Hominids the primate family that produced humans – retain body mass
sexual dimorphism; that is, males typically have a greater body mass
size than females. At the same time, the difference in size in canine
teeth between males and females is lost.

This goes back to the earliest hominids,” Plavcan said. In fact, one of
the few diagnostic characteristics of hominid evolution is reduction in
canine size dimorphism while maintaining strong body mass dimorphism.

For example, gorillas have chunky teeth set in massive bodies. To have
canines proportionately as long as other primates, a male gorilla’s
canines would have to be 25 centimeters long, and the teeth at the base
would then be too wide for his jaw.

This suggests that there may be an upper limit on canine size in
primates simply due to spatial constraints on fitting such teeth in the
jaws, the researchers wrote.

The difference in body size between male and female hominids has been
the subject of study because it is an obvious and important trait. Yet
there are drawbacks to using body size to understand sexual selection. A
change in body size can impact many other aspects of life, including
metabolism, feeding patterns and vulnerability to predators. Canine
teeth, on the other hand, are a far simpler system.

With canines, we can go in and effectively construct an experiment that
allows us to control for all these other variables and look at only one
thing,” Plavcan said. “The same phenomenon that works on the canines, we
can translate into the body mass and then into behavioral models for the
fossil record.

Source: University of Arkansas
http://www.physorg.com/news133709182.html
Thanx Robert. This is curious. the University of Arkansas? Well, the[/quote]
place aint the school for hicks any more. Fayetteville is the hub of a
strip city along I 540 running all the way to the MO border. There>s so
much investment you>d think they struck oil. They struck natural gas.
The state finished last year with a $919 million *surplus*, and have
raised the taxes on gas for even more this year.

Then too, all the way back in gov. Clinton>s time, he got the state to
fund what we now call 'broadband' for all the schools. Those kids who
were given access to PCs in first grade are now in grad school.

And, they think a little further out of the box, as we see in this rap
on canines. But one upper limit he should have thot of was the chronic
use of the teeth to break down hides into leather. You dont wanna poke
holes in it with canines. The women need the same kind of teeth to both
pass the trait on, and to chew the hide while the men hunt.

Anthro reports are full of lotsa things hominids do with teeth that
apes dont.

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Guest

On 28 juin, 11:14, pau...@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter) wrote:
[quote]Of course there are different definitions for seasons. Most equatorial
regions only count two seasons: "wet season" and "dry season"; however
very near the equator there are two wet seasons and two dry seasons per
year.

The custom of definiong four seasons originated from the midlatitudes
where there are large temperature differences over the year. But in
Lapland in nothernmost Scandinavia, they divide the year in no less
than eight (8!) seasons!

[/quote]
Hi Paul,
Sorry, we are not talking about seasons but about Solstice & Equinox,
on which in turn are set the seasons.
Here is a case of the usual confusion between the major & minor
elements of the discourse, that turn of mind leading often to mixing
the issue between causes & consequences ( by ex. do bacteriae cause
diseases or are in fact the consequences of a deviant "Milieu
Intérieur" whose physical parameters have shifted from normal
standards ? )
The reason of the seasons are of course due to the tilted axis of
Earth both in relation to the Ecliptics & Zodiacal relative path of
the Sun.
This is turn, making reference to our exchange, adding to the
background noise ( without rime nor reason.. ref Shakespeare ) which
according to my humble opinion has very small nucleus of hard to find
& further contested correct information, surrounded by huge layers of
non-information, over-information & of course dis-information.

Good luck to anyone to sieve the truth from the false as this the
definitive case in present Geology.

The course of the Earth on its revolutionary elliptical path has 4
noted points, which have been used since immemorial time to adjust
the best sequence for sowing, reaping & then harvesting.... and it is
a fact that everything is done (or alternatively nothing is done to
oppose that drift ) to disconnect people in present modern society
from that admirable relation to the Cosmos, seen indeed as un-
important in present dis-incarnated culture. The myth of Prometheus is
there then to remind us that during his fight against Hercules, as
long as he kept his contact with the Earth, Prometheus was
invincible !... but as soon as Hercules found out and lifted him off
the ground, the former was lost & immediately crushed in Hercules '
powerful arms. Mankind, as it is evident in Australia & elsewhere, has
lost its relation to the Earth and stands to be destroyed as
Prometheus ' analogy indicates.

Bye jpturcaud

terryc · Guest

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:32:44 +0000, Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:

[quote]RKS:
The seasons are not the same across Australia. As with other equatorial
regions, the Northern quarter of Australia has only TWO seasons, the 'Wet'
and the 'Dry'.
[/quote]
nope, there is about eight(?).

Landy · Guest

"terryc" <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.06.29.11.03.48.578749@woa.com.au...
[quote]On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:32:44 +0000, Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:

RKS:
The seasons are not the same across Australia. As with other equatorial
regions, the Northern quarter of Australia has only TWO seasons, the
'Wet'
and the 'Dry'.

nope, there is about eight(?).
[/quote]
Six or seven depending on which tribe you believe:
http://www.environment.gov.au/parks/kakadu/nature-science/seasons.html

Day Brown · Guest

Daryl Krupa wrote:
[quote]On Jun 22, 11:49 am, Day Brown <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote:
snip racist drivel
Aristotle thot the Semites were "Chaloric",
that is had dramatic mood swings and were excitable.

That is "choleric", not "Chaloric", or "Caloric", or Chalcolithic".
As usual, Day Brown is not a reliable reporter.

Alexander made good use of that teaching the Greek Phalanx to taunt
the Persians in their own language about how the Greeks were going to
f ck their wives and daughters (which they later did).

You have odd fixations regarding sexual abuse.

snip more racist drivel
There is also a red form of melanin;

That is phaeomelanin.

when I point out how this was associated with the high rates of violence
among the Greenland Norse, nobody calls me racist.

Okay, I>l rectify that omission;
You are a racist bigot.

They only do that when I discuss the black
form of melanin. Both are inherited. But only the former is found in
the Native Europeans, altho even among them, less common.

Not so. All human hair contains pheomelanin in varying
concentrations.

snip yet more racist drivel

I say again, Day Brown is not a reliable reporter.
Daryl, I flunked typing, and now am trying to learn on one of those[/quote]
split keyboards that are spozed to prevent carpel tunnel. I dont
think anyone really gives a f ck about my typos. Only a twit would.

Its hard to imagine anyone so naive as to miss the political and
military uses of sexual abuse; which we see going on in Darfor now,
as it has ever since armies were first organized.

There are those of us who were born and raised in Scandinavian
communities, I was born on a farm in Minne-sota dontcha know, and
we all understand the phrase "beaten like a red headed step child".
And in my case, a red head gave me my first kiss. I was not such a
fool as to think I could handle her, and my friends all understood
because they knew her as well.

Even tho fire has always been depicted with yellow, nobody says that
blondes are fiery. No, they say that about redheads. There>s a reason
for that Daryl. You could look up Bouchard>s longitudinal studies of
identical twins adopted out at birth to different parents. His work
at the U of MN is well known. And you can also discover that its
real easy to pick out the identical twins at adulthood based on just
the personality profile from the MMPI. Parenting and education does
not have nearly the power your politically correct position claims.

Of course, genetics is a crapshoot; you can never tell what you will
get in every single individual case. There are throwbacks, black &
white sheep in every line. But however, you can look at melanin and
or haplotypes and make very good predictions on how a *community* of
closely related people will develop. Or fail to.

The failure to accept the truth of this data has resulted in policy
that was not designed for specific gene pools, and that in turn has
resulted in the ineffectiveness of social programs. And that failure
has empowered the bigots to cut off the funding. Not that I blame
them; the prisons are full of Head Start graduates.
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Day Brown · Guest

caldervangogh@gmail.com wrote:
[quote]The idea that climate forces physical characters is
only an hypothesis. It is really just an observation,
not a theory of human development.

I believe there are some peer-reviewed articles claiming that the HN
physical shape and size is naturally selected by the climate they
lived under. Therefore, I am only asking for a link to peer-reviewed
articles about the non-existence of race. Somebody better tell the
legislature in my state (NC), today, right now, that race doesn>t
exist. They are busy passing a new law about race...

okay, so it is just a hypothesis. Is there an alternate
hypothesis? .
Well, to start with, there>s Sykes, "The Seven Daughters of Eve"[/quote]
in which he reports that Native Europeans all descend from just
7 mtDNA lines. I>ve since learned there are two more lines found
in Finland, whereas the other 7 are found all over Europe.

Anyway, if you are not descended from one of these, then you are
not a member of the "white race". Obama is one of the few exceptions,
but over time, as we see in his own case, when one is lacking in
some of the associated haplotypes one gravitates to the community
that feels more comfortable.

Genetics is sorting thru the haplotypes on the Y chromosome as well.
There is also the question of epigenetics, and the obvious effects of
environment on that- which does get handed down.

I expect that as the sample size of DNA analysis increases, which is
now increasing rapidly among Native Europeans and being compared with
their rather more extensive genealogy records, computers will be fed
the data and sort out more clearly what "race" is. But in any case,
the data we have so far shows there is, and never was, anything such
as a "pure Aryan" or any other pure race.

Rather than thinking of race, women are already going to fertility
clinics to have their own DNA evaluated and then to select from
among thousands of Y chromosome lines those which are lacking in
the markers related to genetic disease and containing those which
promise what the women think are beneficial- talent, charisma, and
sociability. There are some women who also examine biographies of
the donors looking for evidence of civic involvement, volunteer
work in what they think are noble causes, and lack bigotry.

This, of course, is all consistent with Bouchard>s results on his
longitudinal studies of identical twins raised by different sets
of parents. From the sparse sources I have seen, I>d conclude that
all the women now going to fertility clinics are white, and looking
at the kids, who are all towheads, I>d conclude there is a marked
preference for Nordic Y chromosome lines. While we may argue about
what race is, or what effect, if any that it has, these women have
put their money on Northern European DNA lines.
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Day Brown · Guest

Paul, Google seems to have taken the link down, but it usta have
a report on a Russian geneticist, who in a purge, was shipped out to
a black fox ranch in Siberia years ago.

The dude discovered the foxes raised in capitivity were hard to
manage and their innate aggression tore holes in the hide. Which was
bad for the fur hats they wanted to make of black fox.

So, he began breeding just the most docile foxes. And after just
12 generations was successful. I>ve seen the video. The fox kits are
as sweet and playful as puppies.

There>s only one problem; the kits are not all black any more.
<snurk>
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GoldLions · Guest

[quote]
DAY BROWN writes; Given the era, do we have any H. Sapiens remains in West Europe?
===================================[/quote]
GOLDLIONS writes; Hello Day Brown,

First of all TY for your prompt reply. You asked do we have plenty of
H. Sapiens in west Europe? Yes, plenty! In fact the DNA of Cro Magnon
I heard matches up with modern DNA living in the English Isles today
and among other neighboring areas. They apparently loved to travel.
(wink)
=============================================
[quote]DAY BROWN writes; Last year, they reported finding a fire circle on the Arctic coast
from 38kya. No caves in the area. Either H. Sapiens moved really fast
from a beach head in Anatolia, or it was left by Neanderthals.
==============================================
GOLDLIONS writes; I read on a BBC NEWS link that some Bone spearheads[/quote]
date HOMO SAPIENS living in Britain to 31,000 years ago, 4,000 years
later than the earliest finds of modern humans in Europe......
Like I said before, it>s apparent that these guys didn>t stay at home
much.......
================================================
DAY BROWN writes; Course, were the global economy to collapse now,
archeologists would
[quote]look at all the remains of European culture all over the planet and
conclude the whole thing was run by white people. Without considering
how non-whites found the artifacts useful.
=====================================================[/quote]
GOLDLIONS writes; Excellent point DAY, but what has H.S. learned from
Neanderthal? So far no one really knows except at one time they shared
the same tooling industry. However one thing is clear, they didn>t
seem to feel any need to invent more than what they felt was necessary
living day by day even after 500,000 years time?

irna · Guest

sir.jpturcaud@neuf.fr a écrit :
[quote]The myth of Prometheus is
there then to remind us that during his fight against Hercules, as
long as he kept his contact with the Earth, Prometheus was
invincible
[/quote]
Antaeus...

DK · Guest

In article <1214799180_381286@pro-front01.com>, Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
[quote]Paul, Google seems to have taken the link down, but it usta have
a report on a Russian geneticist, who in a purge, was shipped out to
a black fox ranch in Siberia years ago.
[/quote]
Belyaev is the guy>s name. He wasn>t purged and wasn>t shipped
anywhere. He went voluntarily to establish a new research institute
of which he was a director for many years. As did many bright young
Soviet scientists in all kind of fields because the place was fresh,
very well funded and seemed far from Moscow>s internal scientific
squabbles.

[quote]The dude discovered the foxes raised in capitivity were hard to
manage and their innate aggression tore holes in the hide.
[/quote]
LOL. "Discovered". Foxes are "known" for aggressiveness,
silver foxes in particular. Before this research program,
it was universally considered that foxes cannot be
domesticated.

[quote]So, he began breeding just the most docile foxes. And after just
12 generations was successful.
[/quote]
It took way more than 12 generations.

I>ve seen the video. The fox kits are
[quote]as sweet and playful as puppies.

There>s only one problem; the kits are not all black any more.
[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tame_Silver_Fox

One of the papers published suggests that the selected line
(breed, variety, race) is "smarter" than the wild type foxes.
At least as measured in its ability to recognize human gestures.
About as smart as dogs, the report says:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15694305

DK


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