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On Jun 27, 8:07 pm, Day Brown <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote:
[quote]Dwight E. Howell wrote:
okay. no problem then. I guess most oral tradition lasts about...
say... 2 months. the length of time the average teenager is out of
school in the summer & able to forget everything!
regards
c
At the present in our society you may be right but in some societies
there is hard evidence for thousands of years. One snippet is from
England. There was a local tradition that the light entering a hole in
an unopened barrow struck the back of the barrow on mid summers day.
When it was opened this turned out to be right. The barrow/grave would
have been built about the time copper was becoming popular among the
locals as a material for tools and weapons. Some of their hedge rows are
older than the Roman conquest. Once somebody built a fence they tended
to stay put. It took a lot of work to remove one or build one so mostly
people left them in place and kept them up and the same could be said
for country roads.
Ryan & Pitman report the earliest copy of the great flood we have
is written in Mitanni cuneiform, hundreds of years before any source
we have in the Levant. Mitanni is Indo-European, and they were an
upland horse culture. None of the attempted debunkers of Ryan &
Pitman>s Black Sea flood can explain what these people, who didnt
live on river bottoms, were doing with a great flood myth.
snip[/quote]
Just so>s you-all, know, Ryan is one of the "attempted debunkers"
that Day Brown disparages.
There are many details in Ryan>s and Pitman>s Black Sea flood
that Ryan no longer agrees with.
Ryan has instead proposed a much-less-dramatic Black Sea
"flooding" event one-and-a-half millennia earlier
(i.e. about 9000 years ago), that may have required
three centuries to accomplish, but which has also not met with
widespread acceptance in the scientific community.
There is no conclusive evidence of a "flooding" event in the Black
Sea
basin late enough to have survived in oral history to the time of
the Mitanni or Gilgamesh.
The popular book that Ryan and Pitman wrote about
their first version of a Black Sea flood
(_Noah>s Flood: the event that changed history_)
is not something that should be regarded as gospel, because
there was no such flood, and the book>s version of history was
basically flawed, and they didn>t change scientific opinion about
the history of the Black Sea basin.
That book is more like "scientifiction" than science.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Genographic, is worthwhile doing the test? |
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On Jul 1, 5:01 am, "Paul Crowley"
<slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> wrote:
[quote]"Makouli" <m...@work.com> wrote in messagenews:5oCdnaBqm6od5fTVnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
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What constitutes "race" IYO?
From Webster:
1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
[/quote]
Those could refer to restricted-membership religious groups like
Druze and Amish people. They are not biological definitions.
[quote]3. Anthropol.
a. any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid,
and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics:
no longer in technical use.
b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans,
sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a
combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and
now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
[/quote]
Right ... "no longer in technical use" ... "an arbitrary
classification" ...
I.e., out-dated and useless.
[quote] c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members
share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other
humans.
[/quote]
Again, this could refer to a small endogamous religious group: not
useful.
[quote]4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
[/quote]
These last are not biological definitions.
Are we to understand that you follow all of these uselss, or
near-useless defintions in Webster, with regards to human biology?
Don>t you have an opinion of your own on this matter?
[quote]Give
me a definition here that is formulaic and results in
an objective appraisal of a randomly selected human
plucked fresh from the sidewalk. You can do that,
can>t you Pauly?
The real world is often complicated --
sometimes very complicated. But it
would not be very hard to classify
the bulk of a group of, say, 100 adults
picked at random from the entire
human population, particularly if you
had full access to their DNA, and
blood group analysis.
[/quote]
Sure, so why don>t you go ahead and try, for us?
Pretty please?
With cream on top?
[quote]As is well known, it is possible around
50% of the time among Anglo-Saxon and
Icelandic populations, to identify a male>s
surname from his DNA.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7459578.stm
[/quote]
Not a racial descriptor, that.
[quote]In a very high proportion of cases, in most
populations, other male ancestors, and also
the female ones, will have lived in the same
locality (and been part of the same small
local population) for tens or hundreds of
generations. That will, in turn, have derived
from larger populations, each of which will
have separated off from larger ancestral
groups thousands or tens of thousands of
years earlier.
[/quote]
Again, not a racial descriptor.
[quote]In many cases, the distinctive features
of local populations will derive from
'founder effects', but many will also have
evolved (i.e. been selected) to fit local
conditions.
[/quote]
Again, not definitive of "race".
[quote]This is all Biology 101, and applies to
every species on the planet. Although
I appreciate how, when you are
Politically Correct, you are necessarily
obliged to deny the most basic of
elementary facts.
[/quote]
Paul, we ask only the most elementary of descriptions from you.
Appealing to basic Darwinian theory will not let you off the hook.
What, in YOUR opinion, constitutes "race"?
(In your own words, please: no cribbing.)
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On Jul 1, 6:55 am, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
[quote]In article <OcGdnTo-pZEtgffVnZ2dnUVZ_o7in...@comcast.com>, "Makouli" <m...@work.com> wrote:
I>m still waiting to hear how *you* distinguish
one race from another.
Elementary, Watson!
A set of 326 genetics markers matches self-identified
race with a 99.86 percent accuracy (!!!):http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1196372
snip
DK
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I am !*_NOT_*! that "DK".
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In article <OcGdnTo-pZEtgffVnZ2dnUVZ_o7in...@comcast.com>, "Makouli"
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[quote]I>m still waiting to hear how *you* distinguish
one race from another.
[/quote]
Elementary, Watson!
A set of 326 genetics markers matches self-identified
race with a 99.86 percent accuracy (!!!):
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1196372
So, you look at those 326 markers (called Single Nucleotide
Polymorphysms, SNPs) and with bettter than 99/100
chance you can distinguish between "races" different
people self-identify with.
And if you are willing to settle for 95 percent accuracy,
just 30 SNPs is likely to be enough. A test for 30 SNPs
can be as cheap as cholesterol level check.
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[quote]On Jul 1, 7:55=A0am, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
In article <OcGdnTo-pZEtgffVnZ2dnUVZ_o7in...@comcast.com>, "Makouli" <m...=
@work.com> wrote:
I>m still waiting to hear how *you* distinguish
one race from another.
Elementary, Watson!
Why, thank you, Pauly.
A set of 326 genetics markers matches self-identified
race with a 99.86 percent accuracy (!!!):http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/=
articlerender.fcgi?artid=3D1196372
So, you look at those 326 markers (called Single Nucleotide
Polymorphysms, SNPs)
[/quote]
Oh, my mistake! Turns out I misremembered - this particular
study used microsatellite markers and not SNPs. (Not that it
ultimately makes any difference).
[quote]and with better than 99/100
chance you can distinguish between "races" different
people self-identify with.
And if you are willing to settle for 95 percent accuracy,
just 30 SNPs is likely to be enough. A test for 30 SNPs
can be as cheap as cholesterol level check.
And you>re going to do this while standing in
the checkout line, right?
[/quote]
Irrelevant - right or not.
[quote]And these "races" you claim these folks self identify
with,
[/quote]
I don>t claim anything, I gave you a reference to the
research on genetic clusters in which people DID
self-identify.
[quote]were
they created when someone noted SNP
groupings or were they already in existence
when someone noticed a coorelation....?
[/quote]
<sigh> I gave you a link to the complete paper...
Even the Abstract makes it perfectly clear: "Subjects
identified themselves as belonging to one of four major
racial/ethnic groups (white, African American, East Asian,
and Hispanic)".
You wanted to hear how to distinguish one race from
another - I showed you how. But suddenly you don>t seem
to be very interested...
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On Jul 1, 9:13 pm, "caldervang...@gmail.com" <caldervang...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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[quote]... Numerous recent studies using a
variety of genetic markers have shown that, for example, individuals
sampled worldwide fall into clusters that roughly correspond to
continental lines, as well as to the commonly used self-identifying
racial groups: Africans, European/West Asians, East Asians, Pacific
Islanders, and Native Americans (Bowcock et al. 1994; Calafell et al.
1998; Rosenberg et al. 2002)...."
snip[/quote]
They "commonly" "self-identify" from a restricted list of choices
of
what other people think that they might they might call themselves.
For more than a century, people were not allowed to self-identify
as
"Canadian" in our national census. Now they can, And guess what?
Many people now self-identify as something neither racial nor ethnic.
"Garbage In, Garbage Out" "observer effect".
The quotation above has embedded within it several methodological
biases that would skew the results.
"You get what you wish for."
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On Jul 1, 12:03 am, Day Brown <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote:
<snip>
[quote]I note what Sykes does not, that 50,000 years ago, the only
women in Europe were Neanderthals.
snip[/quote]
That>s bogus.
From:
Paul Mellars
Neanderthals and the modern humancolonization of Europe
NATURE Vol. 432. NO. 25, November 2004
© 2004 Nature PublishingGroup
http://download.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/thomas.rintelen/Mellars%202004.pdf
"What is beyond dispute at present is that populations that were
in most, if not all, respects fully anatomically modern in form
were clearly present in several parts of both Europe and
the adjacent areas of the Near East entirely within the time range of
the Aurignacian period (that is, before around 30,000 yrBP in
radiocarbon terms) and well before the appearance of the succeeding
Gravettian and later Upper Palaeolithic technologies.
This conclusion is reinforced by all the recent studies of
both mitochondrial and Y-chromosome DNA patterns
in present-day human populations, which point consistently to
a dispersal of fully modern (that is, African-derived) patterns of
DNA
across Europe by at least 35,000 yrBPand probably between 40,000 and
50,000 yrBP."
Add to that the necessarily approximate accuracy of radiocarbon
dating
that far back, and you get "50,000 years ago" as a fair approximation
of
the date that non-Neanderthal women appeared in Europe.
Your notice has expired.
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On Jul 2, 6:13 pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
[quote]In article <3cc95e35-f15f-4a5f-b913-40f9cad38...@j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
snip
"Race doesn>t matter".
It does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidil-
"BiDil ... the combination preparation was approved by the FDA in June 2005
for African American-use only based on the results of a study by Taylor et al.
(2004). It was already known that African Americans with congestive heart
failure (CHF) respond less effectively to conventional CHF treatments
(particularly ACE inhibitors) than Caucasians. "
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<snip>
"Caucasians" were people prized by 18th-Century Turkish harem masters
for
their anomalous whitish skin and black hair, who were to be found in
certain parts of the Caucasus Mountains.
The are not a "race", they are winners of a beauty contest.
Your "wiki-reference" does not matter.
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On Jul 2, 5:13 pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
[quote]In article <3cc95e35-f15f-4a5f-b913-40f9cad38...@j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 2, 4:15=A0am, "Paul Crowley"
slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> wrote:
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http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1998-10/WUiS-GSRD-071098.php
Quotes from the above:
"Race doesn>t matter".
It does.....
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to a racist
[quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidil-
"BiDil ... the combination preparation was approved by the FDA in June 2005
for African American-use only based on the results of a study by Taylor et al.
(2004). It was already known that African Americans with congestive heart
failure (CHF) respond less effectively to conventional CHF treatments
(particularly ACE inhibitors) than Caucasians. (Exner, 2001) The study by
Taylor et al. demonstrated that isosorbide dinitrate with hydralazine reduced
mortality by 43%, reduced hospitalizations by 39%, and quality of life markers
in African Americans patients with CHF
"In fact, it doesn>t even exist in humans".
Genetic clusters data suggest otherwise:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Rosenberg2007.png
As you can see, different ethnic groups cluster by geographical
location and are differentiated from each other as well as, say,
colors in the rainbow.
[/quote]
http://physanth.org/positions/race.html
[quote]
You wouldn>t argue that colors don>t exist would you? (Although,
it should be noted, individual colors really don>t exist - they simply
represent a continuum of electromagnetic waves within a certain
range of wavelengthes).
DK
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http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1998-10/WUiS-GSRD-071098.php
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Quotes from the above:
[quote]"Race doesn>t matter".
[/quote]
It does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidil -
"BiDil ... the combination preparation was approved by the FDA in June
2005
for African American-use only based on the results of a study by
Taylor et al.
(2004). It was already known that African Americans with congestive
heart
failure (CHF) respond less effectively to conventional CHF treatments
(particularly ACE inhibitors) than Caucasians. (Exner, 2001) The study
by
Taylor et al. demonstrated that isosorbide dinitrate with hydralazine
reduced
mortality by 43%, reduced hospitalizations by 39%, and quality of life
markers
in African Americans patients with CHF
[quote]"In fact, it doesn>t even exist in humans".
[/quote]
Genetic clusters data suggest otherwise:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Rosenberg2007.png
As you can see, different ethnic groups cluster by geographical
location and are differentiated from each other as well as, say,
colors in the rainbow.
You wouldn>t argue that colors don>t exist would you? (Although,
it should be noted, individual colors really don>t exist - they
simply
represent a continuum of electromagnetic waves within a certain
range of wavelengthes).
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On Jul 2, 8:41 pm, Daryl Krupa <icycal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 1, 9:13 pm, "caldervang...@gmail.com" <caldervang...@gmail.com
wrote:
snip>> ... Numerous recent studies using a
variety of genetic markers have shown that, for example, individuals
sampled worldwide fall into clusters that roughly correspond to
continental lines, as well as to the commonly used self-identifying
racial groups: Africans, European/West Asians, East Asians, Pacific
Islanders, and Native Americans (Bowcock et al. 1994; Calafell et al.
1998; Rosenberg et al. 2002)...."
snip
They "commonly" "self-identify" from a restricted list of choices
of
what other people think that they might they might call themselves.
For more than a century, people were not allowed to self-identify
as
"Canadian" in our national census. Now they can, And guess what?
Many people now self-identify as something neither racial nor ethnic.
"Garbage In, Garbage Out" "observer effect".
The quotation above has embedded within it several methodological
biases that would skew the results.
"You get what you wish for."
- Daryl Krupa
[/quote]
Actually, race and country of origin have been separate questions
since the 1880 census (or 1850 by one method of looking at the data).
Here is a link to the race part:
http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0056.html
"Race and Hispanic origin categories, 1790 to 1990
This section provides general background on data on race and Hispanic
origin in the decennial census of population from 1790 to 1990 as well
as on related topics concerning the census, including geographic
coverage and sampling. For more detailed information, see the sources
cited in the Introduction and see also other publications listed in
General References and Decennial Census Data References. The latter
list of references includes all census reports from which the data in
this report were obtained, and these reports include more detailed
discussions of data on race and Hispanic origin in specific censuses.
As noted earlier, the racial categories used in the decennial census
have reflected social usage rather than an attempt to define race
biologically or genetically. From 1790 to 1850, the only categories
recorded were White and Black (Negro), with Black designated as free
and slave. American Indians not taxed (i.e., living in tribal society)
were not included in the enumeration. It is not clear how individuals
who were not White or Black were classified by race; however, their
number was extremely small.2"
see also:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0900547.html
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On Jul 2, 7:31 pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
[quote]In article <45ef2279-bb14-4a10-be05-89b8426f2...@z16g2000prn.googlegroups..com>, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 2, 5:13=A0pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
In article <3cc95e35-f15f-4a5f-b913-40f9cad38...@j33g2000pri.googlegroups.> >com>, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 2, 4:15=3DA0am, "Paul Crowley"
slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> wrote:
snip
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1998-10/WUiS-GSRD-071098.php
Quotes from the above:
"Race doesn>t matter".
It does.....
to a racist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidil-
"BiDil ... the combination preparation was approved by the FDA in June 200> >5
for African American-use only based on the results of a study by Taylor et> > al.
(2004). It was already known that African Americans with congestive heart
failure (CHF) respond less effectively to conventional CHF treatments
(particularly ACE inhibitors) than Caucasians. (Exner, 2001) The study by
Taylor et al. demonstrated that isosorbide dinitrate with hydralazine redu> >ced
mortality by 43%, reduced hospitalizations by 39%, and quality of life mar> >kers
in African Americans patients with CHF
"In fact, it doesn>t even exist in humans".
Genetic clusters data suggest otherwise:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe> >dia/commons/f/f9/Rosenberg2007.png
As you can see, different ethnic groups cluster by geographical
location and are differentiated from each other as well as, say,
colors in the rainbow.
http://physanth.org/positions/race.html
You wouldn>t argue that colors don>t exist would you? (Although,
it should be noted, individual colors really don>t exist - they simply
represent a continuum of electromagnetic waves within a certain
range of wavelengthes).
[/quote]
Now, look objectively at your childish behavior:
"Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
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In article <3cc95e35-f15f-4a5f-b913-40f9cad386ab@j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Lee Olsen <paleocity@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 2, 4:15=A0am, "Paul Crowley"
slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> wrote:
snip
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1998-10/WUiS-GSRD-071098.php
[/quote]
Quotes from the above:
[quote]"Race doesn>t matter".
[/quote]
It does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidil -
"BiDil ... the combination preparation was approved by the FDA in June 2005
for African American-use only based on the results of a study by Taylor et al.
(2004). It was already known that African Americans with congestive heart
failure (CHF) respond less effectively to conventional CHF treatments
(particularly ACE inhibitors) than Caucasians. (Exner, 2001) The study by
Taylor et al. demonstrated that isosorbide dinitrate with hydralazine reduced
mortality by 43%, reduced hospitalizations by 39%, and quality of life markers
in African Americans patients with CHF
[quote]"In fact, it doesn>t even exist in humans".
[/quote]
Genetic clusters data suggest otherwise:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Rosenberg2007.png
As you can see, different ethnic groups cluster by geographical
location and are differentiated from each other as well as, say,
colors in the rainbow.
You wouldn>t argue that colors don>t exist would you? (Although,
it should be noted, individual colors really don>t exist - they simply
represent a continuum of electromagnetic waves within a certain
range of wavelengthes).
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In article <b016e931-4754-4d1e-9850-aa7913eda05c@f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Daryl Krupa <icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]Paul, we ask only the most elementary of descriptions from you.
Appealing to basic Darwinian theory will not let you off the hook.
What, in YOUR opinion, constitutes "race"?
(In your own words, please: no cribbing.)
[/quote]
I am not Paul but, since you are so sure that "races" don>t exist,
you should have no problem proving this with facts. So, I personally
like this definition from American Heritage Dictionary:
"
Race. [Biology]
1. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of
organisms differing from other populations of the same species in
the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given
formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
"
It>s simple, not restricted to humans (properly so!), and to the point,
hinting at the arbitrariness of this taxonomic differentiation. (Like
just about anything in taxonomy, I must add).
- Interbreeding? - check.
- Geographical isolation? - check.
- Different frequencies of hereditary traits? - check.
- No formal taxonomic recognition? - check.
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In article <45ef2279-bb14-4a10-be05-89b8426f281d@z16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, Lee Olsen <paleocity@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 2, 5:13=A0pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
In article <3cc95e35-f15f-4a5f-b913-40f9cad38...@j33g2000pri.googlegroups.=
com>, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 2, 4:15=3DA0am, "Paul Crowley"
slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> wrote:
snip
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1998-10/WUiS-GSRD-071098.php
Quotes from the above:
"Race doesn>t matter".
It does.....
to a racist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidil-
"BiDil ... the combination preparation was approved by the FDA in June 200=
5
for African American-use only based on the results of a study by Taylor et=
al.
(2004). It was already known that African Americans with congestive heart
failure (CHF) respond less effectively to conventional CHF treatments
(particularly ACE inhibitors) than Caucasians. (Exner, 2001) The study by
Taylor et al. demonstrated that isosorbide dinitrate with hydralazine redu=
ced
mortality by 43%, reduced hospitalizations by 39%, and quality of life mar=
kers
in African Americans patients with CHF
"In fact, it doesn>t even exist in humans".
Genetic clusters data suggest otherwise:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe=
dia/commons/f/f9/Rosenberg2007.png
As you can see, different ethnic groups cluster by geographical
location and are differentiated from each other as well as, say,
colors in the rainbow.
http://physanth.org/positions/race.html
You wouldn>t argue that colors don>t exist would you? (Although,
it should be noted, individual colors really don>t exist - they simply
represent a continuum of electromagnetic waves within a certain
range of wavelengthes).
[/quote]
Now, look objectively at your childish behavior:
- I give you facts supported by rigorous recent research, complete
with references.
- You completely ignore facts, call me a racist for absolutely
no good reason and, instead of addressing the logical arguments,
give me an outdated link that has absolutely nothing with the facts
I provided.
- After diplaying all the normal signs of losing an argument
hpelessly, you go on some completely bizarre irrational rampage
of quoting my entire message in full with the headers - without
a single comment.
Wow. I guess the case is closed.
DK
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In article <bb70bef4-abd6-4ad3-b828-a3c1e1411a3a@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, Lee Olsen <paleocity@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Jul 2, 7:31=A0pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
In article <45ef2279-bb14-4a10-be05-89b8426f2...@z16g2000prn.googlegroups=
.com>, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 2, 5:13=3DA0pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote:
In article <3cc95e35-f15f-4a5f-b913-40f9cad38...@j33g2000pri.googlegro=
ups.=3D
com>, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 2, 4:15=3D3DA0am, "Paul Crowley"
slkwuoiutiuytciu...@slkjlskjoioue.com> wrote:
snip
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1998-10/WUiS-GSRD-071098.php
Quotes from the above:
"Race doesn>t matter".
It does.....
to a racist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidil-
"BiDil ... the combination preparation was approved by the FDA in June=
200=3D
5
for African American-use only based on the results of a study by Taylo=
r et=3D
al.
(2004). It was already known that African Americans with congestive he=
art
failure (CHF) respond less effectively to conventional CHF treatments
(particularly ACE inhibitors) than Caucasians. (Exner, 2001) The study=
by
Taylor et al. demonstrated that isosorbide dinitrate with hydralazine =
redu=3D
ced
mortality by 43%, reduced hospitalizations by 39%, and quality of life=
mar=3D
kers
in African Americans patients with CHF
"In fact, it doesn>t even exist in humans".
Genetic clusters data suggest otherwise:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi=
kipe=3D
dia/commons/f/f9/Rosenberg2007.png
As you can see, different ethnic groups cluster by geographical
location and are differentiated from each other as well as, say,
colors in the rainbow.
http://physanth.org/positions/race.html
You wouldn>t argue that colors don>t exist would you? (Although,
it should be noted, individual colors really don>t exist - they simply
represent a continuum of electromagnetic waves within a certain
range of wavelengthes).
Now, look objectively at your childish behavior:
"Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Jul 9, 7:31 pm)."
[/quote]
Evading the subject AGAIN. Seems like you know you lost but
don>t have guts to admit it. How pathetic!
Nothing>s wrong with the X-No-Archive. It>s a matter of principle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-No-Archive
Blame Google.
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