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Guy Macon
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 Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 |
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While researching something else, I ran into the
following rather interesting opinions:
Consolidating the MCU market around the ARM architecture
("It>s inevitable. ARM>s Cortex-M3 processor core is going
dominate the MCU market.")
http://www.embedded.com/columns/guest/207001013
Luminary Micro Announces 32-bit Microcontrollers for $1.00
-- First to Launch Products Based on the ARM Cortex M3 Processor
http://www.design-reuse.com/news/12919/luminary-micro-32-bit-microcontrollers-1-00-launch-products-arm-cortex-m3-processor.html
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-27-2006/0004327081&EDATE=
Rich feature set key in MCU market:
http://www.ciol.com/Semicon/Design-Trends/News-Reports/Rich-feature-set-key-in-MCU-market/10708107822/0/
$1.68 per chip QTY 100:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlUH%2fsxfAjgajA%3d%3d
http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/lm3s101.html
$249.00 Development Kit:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlWcf9eiWJhtdw%3d%3d
http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/development_kits.html
$79.00 Daughter board:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlX7a0oGmOj3vA%3d%3d
http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/expansion_daughterboards.html
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rickman
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 -Guy Macon |
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Is this even news at this point??? Some two or three years ago I
pointed out that the ARM chips were getting cheaper and cheaper (at
that time around $2) commenting that there is getting to be no market
for the common 8 bit CPU. There were a couple who pointed out that
there are huge numbers of 8 bit devices used in the "invisible", mass
applications where even $0.01 makes a difference. Of course those apps
will always use 4 or 8 bit processors.
But the trend has been pretty obvious for some time now. Mostly it
has been reported that the 16 bit parts are being skipped over
migrating from 8 directly to 32 bit. I have also seen predictions
that the 8 bit market will level off and start to decline although
keeping huge numbers.
For designs that don>t need to save every last penny, it really has
gotten to the point that the 8 and 16 bit parts have little need.
Maybe if power is the ultimate requirement a 32 bit part can>t keep up
with an 8 bit part, but even there the newer processes that are being
used mostly with 32 bit parts are making them competitive in the
lowest power apps too.
Rick
On Jul 21, 3:10 pm, Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:
[quote]While researching something else, I ran into the
following rather interesting opinions:
Consolidating the MCU market around the ARM architecture
("It>s inevitable. ARM>s Cortex-M3 processor core is going
dominate the MCU market.")http://www.embedded.com/columns/guest/207001013
Luminary Micro Announces 32-bit Microcontrollers for $1.00
-- First to Launch Products Based on the ARM Cortex M3 Processorhttp://www.design-reuse.com/news/12919/luminary-micro-32-bit-microcon...http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/stor...
Rich feature set key in MCU market:http://www.ciol.com/Semicon/Design-Trends/News-Reports/Rich-feature-s...
$1.68 per chip QTY 100:http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlUH%2fsxf...http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/lm3s101.html
$249.00 Development Kit:http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlWcf9eiWJ...http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/development_kits.html
$79.00 Daughter board:http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlX7a0oGmO...http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/expansion_daughterboards.html
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Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/
Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/
Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/[/quote] |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 |
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In comp.arch Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
(Luminary Micro>s website)
[quote]Log in just to get a datasheet? Yeah, right ...
[/quote]
If you just keep clicking on "I really really don>t want to register,
just shut up already" you>ll get a download link without having to
register. Annoying, but far preferable to those sites that actually do
force you to register (I>m looking at you, ARM.)
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Jim Granville
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 |
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Guy Macon wrote:
[quote]While researching something else, I ran into the
following rather interesting opinions:
Consolidating the MCU market around the ARM architecture
("It>s inevitable. ARM>s Cortex-M3 processor core is going
dominate the MCU market.")
snip a Luminary party political broadcast[/quote]
No sales numbers on their $1 device, which was rather a strange animal.
Did anyone actually design that in ?
Other things you may have missed :
** Microchip did NOT choose the M3, instead went for the MIPS core
** Atmel offers ARM7, ARM9, AVR32, (and has also licensed M3)
** Freescale have chosen to also pitch 'peripheral compatible'
8 bit and 32 bit Coldfire variants. They see that the core does
not actually matter that much anymore.....
** ST and Freescale do NOT pitch the M3 into Automotive
- instead they _have_ recently released a SECOND SOURCED
family, based on the PowerPC core.
Can you name any pin & peripheral compatible, second sourced M3
device ?
** Japanese suppliers, who are big in the 32 bit sector, tend to
chose ARM only for ASIC
** Philips is calling their M3 family the LPC1000, suggests they expect
the LPC2000 (ARM7) and LPC3000 (ARM9) to continue
** ARM9 devices are rolling now in large FLASH cores, faster than
any M3 device.
Conclusion: Yes the M3 is significant, but it is a
_very_ long way from dominating the MCU market, it is not even
close to dominating the 32bit MCU market.
Of course, any such claim from Luminary>s Chief Marketing Officer,
is expected to be mostly marketdroid hyperbole :)
-jg |
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John Devereux
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 -Guy Macon |
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rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
[quote]Is this even news at this point??? Some two or three years ago I
pointed out that the ARM chips were getting cheaper and cheaper (at
that time around $2) commenting that there is getting to be no market
for the common 8 bit CPU. There were a couple who pointed out that
there are huge numbers of 8 bit devices used in the "invisible", mass
applications where even $0.01 makes a difference. Of course those apps
will always use 4 or 8 bit processors.
But the trend has been pretty obvious for some time now. Mostly it
has been reported that the 16 bit parts are being skipped over
migrating from 8 directly to 32 bit. I have also seen predictions
that the 8 bit market will level off and start to decline although
keeping huge numbers.
For designs that don>t need to save every last penny, it really has
gotten to the point that the 8 and 16 bit parts have little need.
Maybe if power is the ultimate requirement a 32 bit part can>t keep up
with an 8 bit part, but even there the newer processes that are being
used mostly with 32 bit parts are making them competitive in the
lowest power apps too.
[/quote]
[...]
I suspect some devious google-ranking scheme :)
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Joerg
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 |
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Guy Macon wrote:
[quote]While researching something else, I ran into the
following rather interesting opinions:
Consolidating the MCU market around the ARM architecture
("It>s inevitable. ARM>s Cortex-M3 processor core is going
dominate the MCU market.")
http://www.embedded.com/columns/guest/207001013
Luminary Micro Announces 32-bit Microcontrollers for $1.00
-- First to Launch Products Based on the ARM Cortex M3 Processor
http://www.design-reuse.com/news/12919/luminary-micro-32-bit-microcontrollers-1-00-launch-products-arm-cortex-m3-processor.html
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-27-2006/0004327081&EDATE=
Rich feature set key in MCU market:
http://www.ciol.com/Semicon/Design-Trends/News-Reports/Rich-feature-set-key-in-MCU-market/10708107822/0/
$1.68 per chip QTY 100:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlUH%2fsxfAjgajA%3d%3d
http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/lm3s101.html
$249.00 Development Kit:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlWcf9eiWJhtdw%3d%3d
http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/development_kits.html
$79.00 Daughter board:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlX7a0oGmOj3vA%3d%3d
http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/expansion_daughterboards.html
[/quote]
Log in just to get a datasheet? Yeah, right ...
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"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
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Joel Koltner
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 |
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"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:hm6hk.14945$xZ.2154@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
[quote]Log in just to get a datasheet? Yeah, right ...
[/quote]
Those marketing guys only want to have a deep, personal, meaningful
relationship with you, Joerg, that will surely be mutually beneficial. :-) |
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Joerg
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 |
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Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.stop.fi.invalid wrote:
[quote]In comp.arch Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
(Luminary Micro>s website)
Log in just to get a datasheet? Yeah, right ...
If you just keep clicking on "I really really don>t want to register,
just shut up already" you>ll get a download link without having to
register. Annoying, but far preferable to those sites that actually do
force you to register (I>m looking at you, ARM.)
[/quote]
Well, that might be, but I prefer manufacturers with a tad more
professionalism. TI, Atmel, Microchip, Hitachi and so on.
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Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
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Jim Stewart
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 |
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Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.stop.fi.invalid wrote:
[quote]In comp.arch Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
(Luminary Micro>s website)
Log in just to get a datasheet? Yeah, right ...
If you just keep clicking on "I really really don>t want to register,
just shut up already" you>ll get a download link without having to
register. Annoying, but far preferable to those sites that actually do
force you to register (I>m looking at you, ARM.)
[/quote]
Which is far preferable to the ones that
make you register then promise to email
you the datasheet and never do. (I>m looking
at you, NXP) |
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linnix
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 -Guy Macon |
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On Jul 22, 4:31 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net>
wrote:
[quote]Guy Macon wrote:
While researching something else, I ran into the
following rather interesting opinions:
Consolidating the MCU market around the ARM architecture
("It>s inevitable. ARM>s Cortex-M3 processor core is going
dominate the MCU market.")
http://www.embedded.com/columns/guest/207001013
Luminary Micro Announces 32-bit Microcontrollers for $1.00
-- First to Launch Products Based on the ARM Cortex M3 Processor
http://www.design-reuse.com/news/12919/luminary-micro-32-bit-microcon...
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/stor...
Rich feature set key in MCU market:
http://www.ciol.com/Semicon/Design-Trends/News-Reports/Rich-feature-s...
$1.68 per chip QTY 100:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlUH%2fsxf...
http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/lm3s101.html
$249.00 Development Kit:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlWcf9eiWJ...
http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/development_kits.html
$79.00 Daughter board:
http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=6ARB0lp6jlX7a0oGmO...
http://www.luminarymicro.com/products/expansion_daughterboards.html
Log in just to get a datasheet? Yeah, right ...
[/quote]
A few months ago, I had to sign NDA just to peek at the datasheets a
couple of weeks in advance of public release. Unfortunately, to have
good battery saving feature, we have to go with 100 pins 64K devices.
The 44 pins 32K LM3S101 will kill the battery in no time. We won>t be
able to use LMIs until they have better battery saving modes for the
low end, not the high end. |
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Jim Granville
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 |
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Jim Stewart wrote:
[quote]Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.stop.fi.invalid wrote:
In comp.arch Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
(Luminary Micro>s website)
Log in just to get a datasheet? Yeah, right ...
If you just keep clicking on "I really really don>t want to register,
just shut up already" you>ll get a download link without having to
register. Annoying, but far preferable to those sites that actually do
force you to register (I>m looking at you, ARM.)
Which is far preferable to the ones that
make you register then promise to email
you the datasheet and never do. (I>m looking
at you, NXP)
[/quote]
Which part of NXP does that ?
I can download any PDF just fine - PDF access at NXP is good,
it is the middle-ground, between the overview and detail, that
NXP needs to work on!
I did find they have a nice uC selector as 'clickable pdf', that I
suggested they make more visible, and it is now at:
http://www.nxp.com/acrobat/literature/9397/75016140.pdf
With that, you can sidestep almost the entire web site ;)
-jg |
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Mark Borgerson
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 -Guy Macon |
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In article <181b6e7c-7f5c-495c-8c14-f11f91df9f30
@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
[quote]Is this even news at this point??? Some two or three years ago I
pointed out that the ARM chips were getting cheaper and cheaper (at
that time around $2) commenting that there is getting to be no market
for the common 8 bit CPU. There were a couple who pointed out that
there are huge numbers of 8 bit devices used in the "invisible", mass
applications where even $0.01 makes a difference. Of course those apps
will always use 4 or 8 bit processors.
But the trend has been pretty obvious for some time now. Mostly it
has been reported that the 16 bit parts are being skipped over
migrating from 8 directly to 32 bit. I have also seen predictions
that the 8 bit market will level off and start to decline although
keeping huge numbers.
For designs that don>t need to save every last penny, it really has
gotten to the point that the 8 and 16 bit parts have little need.
Maybe if power is the ultimate requirement a 32 bit part can>t keep up
with an 8 bit part, but even there the newer processes that are being
used mostly with 32 bit parts are making them competitive in the
lowest power apps too.
[/quote]
I>m still finding niches for the MSP430 16-bitters. I>ve used them
several times as smart peripherals for 32-bit chips and as stand-alone
processors in some very low-power data loggers that store
data on SD cards. They still seem to have about 1/10th the power
requirement of an ATmel AT91SAM7 when clocked just fast enough
to collect and store data.
I expect that the M3 chips will fall somewhere between the Atmel
ARMs and the MSP430 in capability and power consumption. Those
chips are probably worth a look----especially after all the
time and money I>ve spent on ARM compilers. Learning a new
peripheral set will be the tough part.
Mark Borgerson
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SNIP[/quote] |
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Guy Macon
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 |
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John Devereux wrote:
[quote]I suspect some devious google-ranking scheme :)
[/quote]
I prefer openly admitting to google-ranking schemes...
Plus, I always like to see who has a newsreader that changes
the Subject line (collapsing multiple spaces to one space,
inserting a CR/LF word wrap...) instead of folowing the
de-facto standard and leaving that line unchanged. :)
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Jim Stewart
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 |
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Jim Granville wrote:
[quote]Jim Stewart wrote:
Anders.Montonen@kapsi.spam.stop.fi.invalid wrote:
In comp.arch Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
(Luminary Micro>s website)
Log in just to get a datasheet? Yeah, right ...
If you just keep clicking on "I really really don>t want to register,
just shut up already" you>ll get a download link without having to
register. Annoying, but far preferable to those sites that actually do
force you to register (I>m looking at you, ARM.)
Which is far preferable to the ones that
make you register then promise to email
you the datasheet and never do. (I>m looking
at you, NXP)
Which part of NXP does that ?
I can download any PDF just fine - PDF access at NXP is good,
it is the middle-ground, between the overview and detail, that
NXP needs to work on!
[/quote]
RF. |
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Walter Banks
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: 32-bit Microcontroller for $1.00 |
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Guy Macon wrote:
[quote]While researching something else, I ran into the
following rather interesting opinions:
Consolidating the MCU market around the ARM architecture
("It>s inevitable. ARM>s Cortex-M3 processor core is going
dominate the MCU market.")
Luminary Micro Announces 32-bit Microcontrollers for $1.00
-- First to Launch Products Based on the ARM Cortex M3 Processor
[/quote]
I agree that the Cortex is going to be an important 32 bit part
and may actually evolve into a 8051 type general purpose part
it is unlikely that it will completely dominate.
The quest for computing power is now a lot about power
performance and this is where the Cortex does well but will
not in the long term dominate as instruction sets designed for
machine generated software mature.
Regards,
--
Walter Banks
Byte Craft Limited
http://www.bytecraft.com
walter@bytecraft.com Canada |
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